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Old 04-24-2017, 10:12 AM
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I was going to ask another question about the architecture of the seven kingdoms, but that doesn't matter or make sense, so never mind, sorry.
Why do you think it does not matter?
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Old 04-24-2017, 01:33 PM
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I didn't know you were doing a mod with this. I too was making one for ck2 situated some years before the dark portal but it became halted
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Old 04-25-2017, 12:55 AM
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I didn't know you were doing a mod with this. I too was making one for ck2 situated some years before the dark portal but it became halted
Why do you think I am making a mod? As of now, I am not.
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:43 PM
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I ask Marthen: Do you have a plan for what the unseen Eastern Kingdoms where doing during the apocalypse (Warcraft 3)? Being invaded by the demons?
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Old 07-21-2017, 04:12 AM
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I ask Marthen: Do you have a plan for what the unseen Eastern Kingdoms where doing during the apocalypse (Warcraft 3)? Being invaded by the demons?
I've detailed some of my plans for the Third War several pages back, Azeroth being torn apart by civil war, southern Lordaeron and Stromgarde hit during the war with the Horde, etc.

As for some other things, Stromgarde rejoins the Alliance early on in the war, only to fall apart thanks to the actions of the Argus Wake, Ironforge supports the north actively, but the distance and the ultimate fall of Stromgarde complicates everything, Gilneas is isolated as always.
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:25 AM
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Oh, that's interesting.

Have you bothered to incorporate any of the retco... revelations from WoD to Legion? Namely the ones about the Legion.
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Old 07-21-2017, 06:48 AM
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Oh, that's interesting.

Have you bothered to incorporate any of the retco... revelations from WoD to Legion? Namely the ones about the Legion.
Depends on what you mean incorporated. I have taken them into equation, but I have not adapted them without any changes.

Can't think of any particular example at the moment, but if you want to know about anything concrete, ask away.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:16 AM
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1. The One Legion retcon.

2. The Legion apparently having a fleet of spaceships.

3. The Army of the Light.

Those ones really.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:02 AM
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1. The One Legion retcon.

2. The Legion apparently having a fleet of spaceships.

3. The Army of the Light.

Those ones really.
1. One Legion does not concern my work really, as there are no Warlords of Draenor, nor is there any notion of alternate universes.

2. I don't see a problem with that per se. The Scourge already has flying citadels, and they were tightly connected to the Legion in their origin. The problem ultimately lies with the presentation more.

3. As in, if it exists the way that is presented in Legion? Or of it exist as a concept at all?
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Old 07-24-2017, 09:56 AM
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I was asking for the "Demons Will Revive In The Twisting Nether Unless Killed In Area With Lots Of Nether" retcon. And the Army of Light being a thing with Turaylon and Alleria in it.
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Old 07-24-2017, 12:53 PM
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I was asking for the "Demons Will Revive In The Twisting Nether Unless Killed In Area With Lots Of Nether" retcon. And the Army of Light being a thing with Turaylon and Alleria in it.
Ah. Well, I don't think that one is really a retcon, more an expansion of the previous lore, so I am in a way following that. But the consequence are not the same in the end.

As for Turalyon, Alleria, the Army, etc, I do not deal with that story, no.
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Old 07-25-2017, 12:33 PM
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I ask for some info on what direction you have for the following:

1. Blood Elves

2. Forsaken (namely are they still as ridiculously evul as they are in canon)
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Old 07-26-2017, 02:16 AM
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I ask for some info on what direction you have for the following:

1. Blood Elves

2. Forsaken (namely are they still as ridiculously evul as they are in canon)
I don't go beyond the Third War.
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Old 07-26-2017, 03:35 AM
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So there's not much for them?
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:13 AM
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So there's not much for them?
I plan on detailing the era fairly, but nothing after that. Suffice to say, I plan on keeping in with the characterization present in The Frozen Throne.

That being said, I do have my own plans on how to proceed beyond The Frozen Throne. However, I am not sure if I will ever transform it into a full-blown work, and even if I do, it will be more a spin-off, as while this is still somewhat based off of canon or retro-canon, that work would be pure and complete fan conjecture.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:44 AM
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Do you have examples of what you currently have for the Blood Elves and Forsaken that would clash with what was done with them in canon?
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:05 AM
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Do you have examples of what you currently have for the Blood Elves and Forsaken that would clash with what was done with them in canon?
Well, for the starters, neither would be part of the Horde. Allied with it at a certain point perhaps, not its full members though. Quel'Thalas would also be far more a wasteland, the destruction of the Sunwell causing a massive climatic upheaval and so on.
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Old 08-06-2017, 11:21 AM
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Alright then.

Do the following survive TFT:

1. Illidan.

2. Maiev.

Is the following still around:

1. Kirin Tor.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:23 AM
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Alright then.

Do the following survive TFT:

1. Illidan.

2. Maiev.

Is the following still around:

1. Kirin Tor.
1. Possibly. Probably not in a manner seen in World of Warcraft, though.

2. Less possibly. Undecided yet, as it is not so much important for the grand picture

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1. Only as fragments, the largest one arguably organized around Jaina. There might be a time it comes back as an organization, but that will take a long while.
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Old 08-07-2017, 09:47 AM
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I need to ask: Are you counting novels and other non-game sources like that Arthas one with his dead horse? With all the retcons or otherwise character shifts that came with them.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:16 AM
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I need to ask: Are you counting novels and other non-game sources like that Arthas one with his dead horse? With all the retcons or otherwise character shifts that came with them.
I've already answered this before, but yes and no. I do use novels as a source, but they are less important than the RTS games. So, basically, while I do take some things that do not appear elsewhere and do not contradict anything from the novels, the basis is in the RTS games. For example, after becoming the King of Lordaeron, Arthas genuinely cares for his undead subjects, so long as they are loyal to him and his Lordaeron.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:26 AM
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Hmm. If that's the case, then is Arthas actually loyal instead of being resentful of the Lich King?
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:40 AM
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Hmm. If that's the case, then is Arthas actually loyal instead of being resentful of the Lich King?
That's not how it works. He lacks his own soul, and his will is driven by Frostmourne. But do you think Arthas, when his will was still his own and he still owned his soul, would have been loyal to Ner'zhul? Why would he be?
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:21 AM
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He acted loyal in TFT's Undead Campaign didn't he?
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:34 AM
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He didn't have a soul in the Undead Campaign, loyalty was never a choice he was given.
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