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Old 02-17-2019, 07:27 PM
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Lawl don't kid yourself D, odds are 80% Saurfang gets the job. And much of those remaining 20% is Sylvanas staying in power for a few expansions.

Blizz is not very imaginative with their stories, if it walks like a duck... yeah.
A man can dream, thought.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:08 PM
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Thematically speaking, Thrall appearing now would be a perfect to signal that the Horde is finding its spirit and purpose.
The Horde is dead, and Blizzard has killed it. How can you get past an entire faction committing genocide? The Horde has been tainted forever and nothing they can write can fix it, short of re-winding time so that the burning of Teldrassil never happened.

What is the heart of the Horde, its spirit and purpose? I don't care anymore, it deserves to be destroyed by the Alliance.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:23 PM
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How can you get past an entire faction committing genocide?
That's Warcraft.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:48 PM
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The Horde is dead, and Blizzard has killed it. How can you get past an entire faction committing genocide? The Horde has been tainted forever and nothing they can write can fix it, short of re-winding time so that the burning of Teldrassil never happened.

What is the heart of the Horde, its spirit and purpose? I don't care anymore, it deserves to be destroyed by the Alliance.
And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:02 AM
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And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
I hadn't thought of it that way. This has actually cheered me up more then anything else in months, thanks!
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:44 PM
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And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
That is a pretty cool way of looking at things. Well done!
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And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:05 PM
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And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
That's the Horde!
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:08 PM
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SHOULD be the Horde. You just described the Alliance in BFA though.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:21 PM
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SHOULD be the Horde. You just described the Alliance in BFA though.
Uh... no. the Alliance can absolutely blame the Horde for wanting it dead.
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:26 AM
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SHOULD be the Horde. You just described the Alliance in BFA though.
Hardly. The Alliance does not have many warrior culture themes, and they generally do not enjoy combat and its challenges for the thrill of it. Furthermore, the Alliance is all about morality, self-righteousness, and blaming the other side.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:50 AM
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SHOULD be the Horde. You just described the Alliance in BFA though.
Not exactly; the Alliance very much can blame the Horde for continually trying to kill them, and frankly a crapton of other native Azerothian races who've been rooted out of their ancestral homes and slaughtered en masse ever since the orcs set up shop on the planet can make the same claim.

The Alliance is comprised predominantly of old nations who established their borders centuries (or millennia) ago and haven't really been compelled to expand ever since, so it makes sense that the Alliance fights to stop the fighting and keep what they already have.

The Horde is basically the first truly expansionist, aggressively colonial empire to rise on Azeroth in ages. So naturally instead of just wanting the death and destruction to stop so they can live their lives unmolested, the Horde starts each of these land-grabbing wars with an eye toward kicking off the next one.

Even now, does anyone seriously think Sylvanas has aspirations of the Horde living in peace when the Alliance is gone? Do we really believe she's angling for a world where the whole Horde can prosper unmolested by the Alliance? Or is this war just prep for the next one, and the next one after that? More likely she expects her anticipated Scourging of Stormwind (and any other Alliance races her val'kyr can reanimate along the way) to provide her with the sheer numbers of undead she'll need to turn around once the Alliance is extinguished and eradicate the living races of the Horde as well when they're rendered no longer necessary to protect her, leaving her alone with the only allies she can really trust: undead people firmly under her control.

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Old 02-19-2019, 05:56 AM
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And that is the Drama to being part of the Horde. There are people out there who want you dead. You honestly can’t blame them. Do you lie down and die for them? No. You enjoy the challenge. You keep your head up and move forward.
A nice thought but I can't get behind it knowing the reason we're in the current state we're in is due entirely to the piloting of forces beyond the player's control.

I don't care about the Alliance. I want to curb-stomp the malevolent forces within the Faction that's causing this in the first place.

It's no fun having to be saddled with the Idiot *And* the Villain ball at the same time. That's not a Challenge I care for-we've been there and done that. It's a stale plot and it needs to fucking die.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:53 AM
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The player character isn't a tool to express the player's view in Warcraft.

It never was.

That may change in the future, but for now, it's far from being an Elder Scrolls type of game.

Wanting Warcraft to be something it is not will bring about nothing but suffering.
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Old Yesterday, 11:24 AM
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The player character isn't a tool to express the player's view in Warcraft.

It never was.

That may change in the future, but for now, it's far from being an Elder Scrolls type of game.

Wanting Warcraft to be something it is not will bring about nothing but suffering.
And as we all know, suffering leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Horde.
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Old Yesterday, 02:29 PM
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And as we all know, suffering leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to the Horde.
I still wish that Warcraft Adventures' lore contents became canon back in the day. Thrall the Necromancer Shaman was much cooler than Thrall the Thor Shaman.
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Old Yesterday, 07:39 PM
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Necromancy is portrayed as dark, twisting, magic though?
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