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Old 03-21-2010, 03:10 PM
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Default Hey Stormrage you forgot something...

...like one whole dragonflight.

Seriously, where the hell were the Bronzes in the novel? The Blue and Blacks have their reasons but come on Norzdormu, I know you're busy and all with the timeline but if the planet is destroyed then preserving history isn't going to be of much use is it

Honestly for possibly the most numerous flight at this time (Reds still shaken from the second war, Green the Nightmare, Blue the WOTA/us and Blacks us) their presence would have been massively appreciated.

I find it rather amusing actually, a large part of the story involves the Night Elves lost immortality and who was the one that blessed with that? Right, the one who didn't empower Teldrassil.

Thank. You. Knaak.

(Sorry for the nerdrage just wondering what your thoughts were on why the Bronze Dragonflight didn't participate in the War of the Nightmare)
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:27 PM
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If they can see the future, they can see that the events of Stormrage could be solved without them, and thus they would be more used elsewhere.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:31 PM
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I think if the sandy dragons we all know and love as the bronze dragonflight made an appearance Knaak, because the novel involves the Night Elves lost immortality, would have to address the dragon aspect's absence, and supposed relationship with the infinite dragonflight, which may be either too complicated a topic, or a topic that's been reserved for Cataclysm.

Lore wise I agree the Bronzies are probably the ones with the fewest casualties of late, but I do think they are quite occupied at this moment: Leaderless and trying to maintain a complex time line under siege. They're under enough stress to ask the aid of adventurers, I think that alone shows that they're a tad over stretched at the moment.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:44 PM
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If they can see the future, they can see that the events of Stormrage could be solved without them, and thus they would be more used elsewhere.
I don't think they can see the future, atleast not accurately. Otherwise Norzdormu being shown his death by the Titans themselves would have carried far less importance.

Even then think of the lives even a few Bronze Dragons could've saved, remember the Nightmare friends/loved ones army? Yeah they wouldn't have done jack shit if they were constantly being sent back into five minutes ago.

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I think if the sandy dragons we all know and love as the bronze dragonflight made an appearance Knaak, because the novel involves the Night Elves lost immortality, would have to address the dragon aspect's absence, and supposed relationship with the infinite dragonflight, which may be either too complicated a topic, or a topic that's been reserved for Cataclysm.

Lore wise I agree the Bronzies are probably the ones with the fewest casualties of late, but I do think they are quite occupied at this moment: Leaderless and trying to maintain a complex time line under siege. They're under enough stress to ask the aid of adventurers, I think that alone shows that they're a tad over stretched at the moment.
The immortality thing was thrown around a bit, mainly by Fandral between and during his spats of being completely and utterly insane. But not a whisper of the Bronze not even by Ysera or Alexstrasza. I do agree that the Bronze/Infinite dragon thing is complicated however.

As I said earlier, the past can wait. I'd prefer we had a present also as shown in the WOTA trilogy, the timeline can take a bit of a beating before shit truly hits the fan.
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Old 03-21-2010, 04:56 PM
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I don't think they can see the future, atleast not accurately. Otherwise Norzdormu being shown his death by the Titans themselves would have carried far less importance.

Even then think of the lives even a few Bronze Dragons could've saved, remember the Nightmare friends/loved ones army? Yeah they wouldn't have done jack shit if they were constantly being sent back into five minutes ago.
Considering the frequent nature of the CoT instances (make sure something awful takes place uninterrupted in order to avoid something even worse taking place further along the line) the Bronzes seem to be pretty strong advocates of the "let ten thousand die now to save three billion later" mindset. They only step in when the worse events seem about to supplant the still horrific, but not quite as bad events. Their job's not to save lives and maintain a happy, disaster-free timeline; it's to make sure the right disasters aren't replaced by even worse ones that snowball into the destruction of Azeroth.

Plus the Bronzes are probably already tied up fighting the Infinites by the time Stormrage takes place. It happens after the Lich King's defeat (even though practically it treats the Nightmare like it's something new that hasn't already existed as a known enemy for years), so that means the CoT events where they intersect with the present are already going on, the the Bronzes have their hands full without Nozdormu to help them.

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As I said earlier, the past can wait. I'd prefer we had a present also as shown in the WOTA trilogy, the timeline can take a bit of a beating before shit truly hits the fan.
As wardens of the timeline, for the Bronzes ensuring the past is a means of preserving the present. And as for WotA, the writers themselves can't seem to decide just what happened there. The Bronzes were able to wipe the memories of people in the CoT instances. Yet apparently Nozdormu fixed things afterward, but left in just enough of the changes to make sure that Tyrande and Malfurion remained ardent fans of Krasus, Rhonin and Broxigar all the way into the present.

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Old 03-21-2010, 04:57 PM
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They really forgot about Cenarius.
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:29 AM
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i am going to go out on a limb and say blizzard asked knaak not to include the bronzes.

with the whole, blessing teldrassil thing, if the bronzes added their blessing as well...poof, immortal night elves again.

i think they have specific plans for bringing the promise of immortality back, and this just wasn't how they wanted to do it.

also, if we do finally get word from nozdormu and he is not in charge of the infinite dragonflight, i'll be pretty pissed...i mean, it seems every aspect is just being constantly worked by old gods...i'd rather see nozdormu snap and create the infinites as a way of undoing actions that brought power to old gods, and not that he too is corrupted by them.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:42 AM
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Well I'm disappointed to hear Cenarius didn't show up, he's my favorite four-legged thing. Any mention of the creatures that are only inside the Emerald Dream?

But anyway I keep hearing people complaining about Malfurion doing crazy things and having a high power level and such but I recall reading this from the WoW encyclopedia: "These rules do not apply to druids of sufficient skill or experience, who are trained to see beyond physical reality. These druids might be capable of abnormal movement in the Dream (e.g., a night elf who can sprint at a greatly accelerated rate, walk through solid objects, or fly). It is quite rare to see such unusual capabilities in non-druids, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility."

So maybe its just that Malfurion has his super powers inside the Emerald Dream.

Here is an interesting fact: The "Emerald Dream" is also what the ladies call Saurfang.
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Old 04-06-2010, 12:46 AM
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Well I'm disappointed to hear Cenarius didn't show up, he's my favorite four-legged thing. Any mention of the creatures that are only inside the Emerald Dream?

But anyway I keep hearing people complaining about Malfurion doing crazy things and having a high power level and such but I recall reading this from the WoW encyclopedia: "These rules do not apply to druids of sufficient skill or experience, who are trained to see beyond physical reality. These druids might be capable of abnormal movement in the Dream (e.g., a night elf who can sprint at a greatly accelerated rate, walk through solid objects, or fly). It is quite rare to see such unusual capabilities in non-druids, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility."

So maybe its just that Malfurion has his super powers inside the Emerald Dream.
I think he flew around when he was in the ED during WotA too.
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Old 04-06-2010, 03:39 AM
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It is quite rare to see such unusual capabilities in non-druids, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility."
Hah! From this I'll expect Knaak writing a novel about either Krasus or Rhonin being trained by Malfurion in the arts of druidism, and have some adventures in the Emerald Dream; therefore using that excuse so that they can fly around in ED becoming Superman.
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:20 AM
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Hah! From this I'll expect Knaak writing a novel about either Krasus or Rhonin being trained by Malfurion in the arts of druidism, and have some adventures in the Emerald Dream; therefore using that excuse so that they can fly around in ED becoming Superman.
AAAGH! BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!!!

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Old 04-06-2010, 07:36 AM
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So maybe its just that Malfurion has his super powers inside the Emerald Dream.
Naah, he uses some sort of super sayian powers and reaches out to both world trees and living beings bladiblabla, pretty much like goku spirit bomb in the end of GT.
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Old 04-06-2010, 06:17 PM
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There are no bronze dragons left. Everyone's got the Heroic CoS timed event on farm and has a bronze drake as a mount now.

Also, I'm pretty sure they're going to go with another "crazed dragon aspect" plot line down the road and use that to explain the infinite dragonflight.
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:36 PM
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There are no bronze dragons left. Everyone's got the Heroic CoS timed event on farm and has a bronze drake as a mount now.

Also, I'm pretty sure they're going to go with another "crazed dragon aspect" plot line down the road and use that to explain the infinite dragonflight.
That would finally make me quit WoW for ever
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