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Old 05-12-2010, 05:17 PM
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Well it didn't exactly cut from it like it did to arthas when he caused the stratholme purge, so we can at least say that it didn't found it horrendous too
arthas could've called the light in frostmourne cavern even. stratholme wasn't "THE" turning point. it was one of many.
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arthas could've called the light in frostmourne cavern even. stratholme wasn't "THE" turning point. it was one of many.
now i'm confused didn't it say the light turned away from arthas at stratholme?
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Old 05-13-2010, 08:30 AM
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No, it didn't "turn away" from him at any time. He just stopped using it.

I think the only example of the Light "leaving" a Paladin is of Tirion, and that was predicated by a ceremony performed by other Paladins. Am I wrong or are there other examples of the Light becoming inaccessible to Paladins?

Priests is another topic.
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now i'm confused didn't it say the light turned away from arthas at stratholme?
RotLK describes the scene when ice shard impales muradin. arthas leans over him, starts regretting things, light starts coming from somewhere ontop of cavern, and he was thinking of using it, but frostmourne whispered to him that light betrayed him etc, so he just turned away.


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nobundo, possibly?
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nobundo, possibly?
Both situations can be explained as pycho-somatic mental blocks. Tirion broke through his blocks, Nobundo discovered Shamanism and never challenged his belief that the Light left him.
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Old 05-13-2010, 08:55 AM
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isn't nobundo's perception that shamanism is just another way of holy light?
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:11 AM
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i risk sounding like rolandius () but you can't really have perception of, say, fel being holy light? the two have to be atleast a bit alike?
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Old 05-13-2010, 09:33 AM
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Wait what? Are you suggesting that Shamanism is or "feels" like Fel Magic?

As for whether Joe Schmoe can use Fel under the perception that it is Holy... I think that's dividing by zero. Using Holy demands a certain confidence and self-assuredness in where the magics coming from and what you're doing with it. I'm on Omacron's Boat of Psychic Holy, FYI.

Thinking you're using Holy and doing Paladin-like things with the magic you believe is Holy... well that's a walk like a duck feels like a duck situation. Doing those things would PROBABLY call up Holy, and whatever Fel is in there would be sidelined.

A Knight using "Holy" to do knowingly, unjust things... hmmm this might be a Sir Zeliek scenario.
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Both situations can be explained as pycho-somatic mental blocks. Tirion broke through his blocks, Nobundo discovered Shamanism and never challenged his belief that the Light left him.
Maybe (and probably) for Tirion, but for Nobundo it was definitely not psychosomatic. He was a Paladin one second, using the Holy Light to crush orc invaders, then a red mist hits him, and he could not use the Light anymore - and it wasn’t just him. He and all the Broken didn’t just all simultaneously develop psychosomatic symptoms, he was externally cut off from it by whatever that mist was.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:36 PM
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Wait what? Are you suggesting that Shamanism is or "feels" like Fel Magic?
i was using hyperbole to amplify the difference between shamanism and holy light, i'm sorry it didn't come out as it should've since i'm not native english speaker.

what i meant was, if nobundo was able to "percieve" shamanism as holy light, does it mean one could "percieve" arcane to be nature, or arcane fel, or anything else? the point of comparation being, that shamanism is in a way holy light, atleast that's how i understood Unbroken story.
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Old 05-13-2010, 07:59 PM
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No, it didn't "turn away" from him at any time. He just stopped using it.

I think the only example of the Light "leaving" a Paladin is of Tirion, and that was predicated by a ceremony performed by other Paladins. Am I wrong or are there other examples of the Light becoming inaccessible to Paladins?

Priests is another topic.
The Light didn't actually leave him though. Remember he used the Light to heal an injured orc.
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:36 PM
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Geirrvif seems to believe there are "gods", she his the val'kyr of valhalas, so this might mean that vrykuls believe in more than one god
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Old 05-15-2010, 09:07 PM
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Geirrvif seems to believe there are "gods", she his the val'kyr of valhalas, so this might mean that vrykuls believe in more than one god
A lot of characters say that though. That Holy Light paladin that didn't like mages in DotD mentioned "gods" I believe.
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A lot of characters say that though. That Holy Light paladin that didn't like mages in DotD mentioned "gods" I believe.
Yeah, but that's back when there weren't any Titans or mood Goddess or giant slugs underneath the world.
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Yeah, but that's back when there weren't any Titans or mood Goddess or giant slugs underneath the world.
Okay I will come at it from another angle. In WoW some characters believe that when people die their spirits go to the Twisting Nether.
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