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Old 03-02-2017, 01:48 PM
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Default If they were rebooting Warcraft, what would you suggest to do?

Whether it's for another system or genre, pretend Blizzard really was rebooting WC in the future. Now what do you, suggest?

1. Who would you recommend for it (writers, character designers, the rest)?

2. Where would you first do a major branch off from current Lore?

3. What do you say to keep from the current setting?
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:48 AM
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So they kind of did this with the Warcraft movie. A lot of comments would be criticisms of or agreements with how the movie did it.

Or is this, like, a reboot starting earlier? Maybe starting with War of the Ancients, and following events on Kalimdor alone, until one day the orcs and humans make landfall from a destroyed land to the east?
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:18 AM
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Whether it's for another system or genre, pretend Blizzard really was rebooting WC in the future. Now what do you, suggest?

1. Who would you recommend for it (writers, character designers, the rest)?

2. Where would you first do a major branch off from current Lore?

3. What do you say to keep from the current setting?
1. George RR. Martin, D.M. Cornish, Robert Asprin if he's still alive.

2. More variety in the upper echelons of the cosmology. Not just Titans and Light being the most important. A lot of times blizz talks about cosmic balance and how shadow fits into it but aside from the shadowpriest class order it's still treated as pretty intrinsically evil.

3. Most things I'd keep. I'd make mostly tweaks and alterations rather than whole new changes.
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Old 03-03-2017, 09:36 AM
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Yeah overall it's really a few things that makes the current thing suck, not the whole thing. Like Thrall one-shotting Deathwing, Sylvanas not seeing consequences to her actions, most Alliance leaders being useless and of course the fact that the resort in southern Feralas is unused.
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:03 AM
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Yeah overall it's really a few things that makes the current thing suck, not the whole thing. Like Thrall one-shotting Deathwing, Sylvanas not seeing consequences to her actions, most Alliance leaders being useless and of course the fact that the resort in southern Feralas is unused.
The Sylvanas thing isn't even a problem in terms of the consequences, but that she retained power and successfully keeps the Forsaken functional despite them. A little political division would be nice once in awhile.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:51 PM
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Whether it's for another system or genre, pretend Blizzard really was rebooting WC in the future. Now what do you, suggest?

1. Who would you recommend for it (writers, character designers, the rest)?

2. Where would you first do a major branch off from current Lore?

3. What do you say to keep from the current setting?
1. Jorge Luis Borges, even though he's dead. Played right, Azeroth could have been Tlön.

2. I was mostly happy with it up until Cataclysm.

3. Everything before Cataclysm, and Pandaria. Pandaria's cool.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:05 PM
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1. Jorge Luis Borges, even though he's dead. Played right, Azeroth could have been Tlön.
The solution is simple. We must become Borges.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:23 PM
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Easier said than done... but I like the way you think.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:58 PM
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Yeah overall it's really a few things that makes the current thing suck, not the whole thing. Like Thrall one-shotting Deathwing, Sylvanas not seeing consequences to her actions, most Alliance leaders being useless and of course the fact that the resort in southern Feralas is unused.
Also the whole "Sylvanas needs val'kyr!" thing is weird too considering regular old necromancy was shown in Vanilla to work just fine for getting more Forsaken.
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Old 03-03-2017, 03:58 PM
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The Sylvanas thing isn't even a problem in terms of the consequences, but that she retained power and successfully keeps the Forsaken functional despite them. A little political division would be nice once in awhile.
The most political division we got were two grunts wondering if she killed Vol'jin but that got removed.
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Old 03-03-2017, 06:49 PM
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That was probably there just to tease us
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:40 PM
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No Dreani retcon thanks. No need to demonize Kael, make Illidan much more interesting in BC.

WotLK needs to be rewritten to make the villain more menacing.

No WoD
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Old 03-03-2017, 07:43 PM
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Also the whole "Sylvanas needs val'kyr!" thing is weird too considering regular old necromancy was shown in Vanilla to work just fine for getting more Forsaken.
This, I always hated the valkyr for crowding out what should have been a deluge of necromantic methods
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:47 PM
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The Horde would not have had the redemption arcs or even had demon blood corruption. Just angry orcs, ogres and trolls.
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Old 03-03-2017, 10:03 PM
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I will get rid of everything past WC3, except some elements of vanilla WoW. Shift the focus to mortal races and cosmology will just be outside reading material for fun.
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Old 03-05-2017, 04:16 PM
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Past Warcraft III era, I'd start World of Warcraft with different factions, basically keeping the 'races' we had in WC3. That means:
  • Night Elves don't enter the Alliance. They're all by themselves.
  • The Alliance is composed of humans, dwarves, gnomes and high elves.
  • No Forsaken in the Horde. Only orcs, taurens, trolls, ogres and goblins.
  • Forsaken could exist, but by themselves, much like Night Elves. But I'd rather not have the forsaken and just have the Scourge as a 4th faction.

That would leave us with two options: we would have to live with multiple factions that doesn't trust each other, OR we could let players be free to create their own 'factions'. Let's say you play an orc and your friend play a human, but by incorporating some RP elements into the game you actually could play together instead one against the other. How that would actually be implemented I'd let for the devs to think.

One thing that would be interesting with this setup is, only male night elves could be druids. Night elf warriors, archers, hunters, would all be female. We'd basically continue with the culture and lore established during WC3.

Another interesting thing would be the Scourge faction. What classes/races would we play? I'd give players the options of playing as an abomination; brute force and no intellect, they could only be 'warriors' or something alike. The casters would be necromancers, ghouls could specialize into melee (warriors) or ranged (archers). And so on.

The class system would have to be much more varied to accomodate this; perhaps multiclassing would be neeeded.
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Old 03-05-2017, 05:21 PM
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Oh god.

OH GOD.

I'd change so much.

I don't even know where to start with how much I'd change.
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I agree with most others, soft factions instead of hard ones

Players start with reputation based on species and class, but can change based on questing to a degree

All orcs start as buddies with trolls and tauren and such but aren't hardwired into always getting along
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Old 03-11-2017, 11:13 PM
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Don't ever go into specifics about the Second War. They can acknowledge it happened, have a general idea about it, keep little easter eggs like Brom-Faral and the Ironforge museum, but DON'T MAKE A DETAILED ACCOUNT. EVER.

Just, don't even try. We'll be fine.
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Old 03-12-2017, 01:34 AM
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Don't ever go into specifics about the Second War. They can acknowledge it happened, have a general idea about it, keep little easter eggs like Brom-Faral and the Ironforge museum, but DON'T MAKE A DETAILED ACCOUNT. EVER.

Just, don't even try. We'll be fine.
How about they hire someone with at least some understanding of military history and understanding of Warcraft II lore?

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Old 03-12-2017, 01:42 AM
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Oh god.

OH GOD.

I'd change so much.

I don't even know where to start with how much I'd change.
Have a hint?
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:42 AM
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How about they hire someone with at least some undestanding of military history and understanding of Warcraft II lore?
I'm trying to be reasonable here.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:50 AM
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I'm trying to be reasonable here.
No need to do that given the premise of the thread.

Though I am not sure if it's really that reasonable either.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:01 AM
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How about they hire someone with at least some understanding of military history and understanding of Warcraft II lore?
IMPOSSIBLE, can't be done, thousands of man hours, do you want that or do you want to be able to do dungeons and raids?
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:15 AM
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IMPOSSIBLE, can't be done, thousands of man hours, do you want that or do you want to be able to do dungeons and raids?
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