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Old 01-22-2013, 02:23 PM
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From Ask CDs 3:

There is also the possibility that some black dragons on Azeroth have managed to evade Wrathion’s detection as well.
I remember that answer, but related it to Sabellian and Draenor, forgetting the bit about a possibility in Azeroth. Thank you.
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Old 01-23-2013, 07:49 AM
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When does the story of Sunwell trilogy, mostly Ghostlands, takes place? Is it shortly after the Frozen Throne or during WoW or shortly before?

And why exactly was Sylvanas in Ghostlands?

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Old 01-23-2013, 01:13 PM
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When does the story of Sunwell trilogy, mostly Ghostlands, takes place? Is it shortly after the Frozen Throne or during WoW or shortly before?
Year 23, according to the lattest official Timeline.

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And why exactly was Sylvanas in Ghostlands?
Don't have the book right now.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:31 PM
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And why exactly was Sylvanas in Ghostlands?
Revenge against Dar'Khan was the only motive suggested IIRC.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:03 AM
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Was the Zandalari Empire ever called that before Patch 5.1?

Was the Mogu Empire ever called that at all?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:15 PM
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Was the Zandalari Empire ever called that before Patch 5.1?
No that I remember. The current lore seems to suggest that at some point in the past the tribe become an empire and then they fall, being just a tribe until Cataclysm, when they began their campaign to rebuilt it (but with the goal of unifying the diverse troll tribes).

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Was the Mogu Empire ever called that at all?
Yes:

The mogu found the Pools of Youth!

Mama Bramblestaff used to tell me old stories about those. During the mogu empire they would use the waters to extend life.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:00 PM
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Jumping back to the Sunwell Trilogy topic, Dar'khan said that Sylvanas and he were on the same side. I think it takes place before she formed the Forsaken.
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It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

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Old 01-26-2013, 02:07 PM
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Jumping back to the Sunwell Trilogy topic, Dar'khan said that Sylvanas and he were on the same side. I think it takes place before she formed the Forsaken.
He said "We were on the same side".

In other words, he said they had been on the same side.

Sunwell Trilogy takes place in year 23 and Sylvannas was totally free-willed. She opposed Dar'khan (who was working for the Lich King).
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Old 01-26-2013, 02:10 PM
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Jumping back to the Sunwell Trilogy topic, Dar'khan said that Sylvanas and he were on the same side. I think it takes place before she formed the Forsaken.
Really? But she already had her body back, right?

But then, wowpedia says: Sylvanas, the Banshee Queen, and leader of the Forsaken traveled to Quel'Thalas for her own reasons, but soon encountered the traitor Dar'Khan, confronting him in the ruins of Silvermoon.

So it does not meet your statement. I asked why she had gone to Quel'Thalas because I wanted to know what "her own reasons" were.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:58 PM
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He said "We were on the same side".

In other words, he said they had been on the same side.

Sunwell Trilogy takes place in year 23 and Sylvannas was totally free-willed. She opposed Dar'khan (who was working for the Lich King).
I'd give you the page number but well, the pages aren't numbered. It's when Sylvanas first appears to Dar'khan after she kills a gargoyle:

"But why should you still feel such enmity, dear Sylvanas? After all, we are both on the same side now..."

Yes, she opposed him. No, he did not say "were". Dar'khan said hey are on the same side. Either he was not aware she split off into the Forsaken, or she had not yet rebelled.
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You know, when I put the "i hate all of you" tag in threads, I'm not trying to be funny or cute. With a handful of exceptions, I really do hate almost everybody here.

It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:03 PM
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I'd give you the page number but well, the pages aren't numbered. It's when Sylvanas first appears to Dar'khan after she kills a gargoyle:

"But why should you still feel such enmity, dear Sylvanas? After all, we are both on the same side now..."

Yes, she opposed him. No, he did not say "were". Dar'khan said hey are on the same side. Either he was not aware she split off into the Forsaken, or she had not yet rebelled.
Yep, he says we are. He might just mean that both of them are undead elves, though.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:13 PM
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Yep, he says we are. He might just mean that both of them are undead elves, though.
Also possible.
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It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:34 PM
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Yes, she opposed him. No, he did not say "were". Dar'khan said hey are on the same side. Either he was not aware she split off into the Forsaken, or she had not yet rebelled.
That would be a little strange, as I'd imagine he should have had that information since he was linked, like all the Scourge, to the Lich King. I suppose it isn't impossible, but it would be very sloppy storytelling. Then again, the Sunwell trilogy wasn't known for its stellar writing...
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:24 PM
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That would be a little strange, as I'd imagine he should have had that information since he was linked, like all the Scourge, to the Lich King. I suppose it isn't impossible, but it would be very sloppy storytelling. Then again, the Sunwell trilogy wasn't known for its stellar writing...
I agree, which is why I think it's before the Forsaken split off from the Scourge.
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You know, when I put the "i hate all of you" tag in threads, I'm not trying to be funny or cute. With a handful of exceptions, I really do hate almost everybody here.

It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:53 PM
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It might be a Knaak error. He didn't seem to understand necromancy in that work, which is why he wrote in the orb.
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:57 PM
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I'd rather not pass of something in a book as "writer error, noncanon" unless Blizzard says so themselves. If we start doing that with parts of Sunwell Trilogy, it's not a far jump to start declaring parts of other books from better writers noncanon as well.
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You know, when I put the "i hate all of you" tag in threads, I'm not trying to be funny or cute. With a handful of exceptions, I really do hate almost everybody here.

It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:15 PM
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I'd rather not pass of something in a book as "writer error, noncanon" unless Blizzard says so themselves. If we start doing that with parts of Sunwell Trilogy, it's not a far jump to start declaring parts of other books from better writers noncanon as well.
Okey, I apologize. You were right about the quote.

However, a Blizzard source, the Official Timeline, contradicts your reasoning, since the Sunwell Trilogy takes place in year 23. The Forsaken rebellion ocurred in year 21. There's no way Sylvannas was an slave (and she doesn't show to be one) in year 23.

I agree with the interpretation that "they were in the same team: TEAM UNDEAD!". While silly, its the only way the quote is "true".
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:30 PM
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Arthas: Rise of the Lich King (which admittedly came after) has it so at no point did she have her body back under the Lich King.
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Arthas: Rise of the Lich King (which admittedly came after) has it so at no point did she have her body back under the Lich King.
Also that.

Again, there are two possibilities:

a) Knaak doesn't know the lore of the setting.

b) The quote could have been phrased better and referred to both being undead.
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I agree with the interpretation that "they were in the same team: TEAM UNDEAD!". While silly, its the only way the quote is "true".
This is a totally legitimate way to look at it. The other one is that Dar'khan wasn't aware of the Forsaken.
Option three, that she hadn't rebelled yet, simply doesn't work with what we know about Sylvanas getting her body back in RotLK. Thanks for pointing that out Revenant.

The conversation of Sylvanas in Ghostlands came up, and I remembered Dar'khan saying that to her. No harm done?

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I still think it's a really foolish notion to dismiss things that don't match up as noncanon simply because the author isn't the greatest. Unless Blizzard says otherwise that is.
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It's one thing to have problems and voice your concerns, but when you endlessly bitch day in and day out about the same tired old shit, it honestly makes me wonder why you are even here. Generally when somebody doesn't like something, they stop caring about it.

And on that note, SoL is a forum I no longer enjoy. So, I'm done here. And I genuinely think the people who have absolutely nothing at all positive to say about the game and, the people whose posts are composed entirely of whining, really consider leaving (or at least sticking to non-WoW sections). Because if you truly get no enjoyment out of WoW, then why are you here?

With that said, goodbye.

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This is a totally legitimate way to look at it. The other one is that Dar'khan wasn't aware of the Forsaken.
Option three, that she hadn't rebelled yet, simply doesn't work with what we know about Sylvanas getting her body back in RotLK. Thanks for pointing that out Revenant.

The conversation of Sylvanas in Ghostlands came up, and I remembered Dar'khan saying that to her. No harm done?
No harm at all. Sorry if I sounded/expressed myself in a rough way. It wasn't my intention.
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Control over a cartel?
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Well yeah but I've got this guy on MMO champ 'fact checking' me and saying that it's definitely 'whoever's richest' and that strikes me as BS.
The situation where a Trade Prince controls a Cartel was invented for the goblin starting zones in Cataclysm, and never really expanded on. I assume that the case it just that, based on how Gallywix took the title from Maldy. However, the other trade princes don't have known cartels, though Trade Prince Steamwheedle's seems obvious (never explicitly confirmed though). The title meaning a Cartel leader was not in the RPG books, despite the massive write up that goblins got in the last book released. There it was like a hybrid Trade Coalition CEO/Board of Directors member that schemed his/her way to the top, beyond the Cartels (which were oddly never explained in the RPG either).
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