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Old 07-13-2017, 08:02 PM
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I haven't heard about this yet. Got a news article handy?

Here's another fun one:
"I’m on you now. You are fucking with me now Let’s see who you are Watch your back , bitch."
"Call me. Don’t be afraid, you piece of shit. Stand up. If you don’t call, you’re just afraid."
"I already know where you live, I’m on you. You might as well call me. You will see me. I promise. Bro."
All quotes from the president's lawyer to a stranger from the internet.
https://www.propublica.org/article/m...-emails-maddow
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Seriously, fuck this notion that Net Neutrality is somehow crippling small businesses, it's a bullshit like by big companies to do shit like this.
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Old 07-14-2017, 02:32 AM
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Has anyone ever volunteered for a political campaign before? There is a senate race in Indiana next year and I want to help unseat the Democratic incumbent. There are a few Republicans that have announced their intent to run, including a director of a Purdue satellite campus. There is also a business man which is a good thing. Our other senator is a marine veteran that I voted for last time.

Senator Joe Donnelly is a snake. He only votes for his state when the vote doesn't matter and is part of the complete Democratic obstruction otherwise. He won through sheer luck last time as his opponent made a fatal gaffe. With how much progress is slowed because the Republicans can only spare two votes on most legislation even getting rid of one obstructionist would help so much. Without Senator Donnelly the PPACA could have been replaced right now. With 25 Democrats up for reelection in 2018 and 10 of which are in states Trump won this is a historic opportunity to get 60 senators and budgets that can finally streamline Washington DC can become a reality.

I have fundraising/volunteer organizing, a lot of technical, and leadership experience. I could be a young face for outreach on the Purdue main campus or elsewhere young people inhabit. It would be a fantastic learning opportunity and a way to make a lot of friends.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:10 PM
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Bill Clinton was the best President since the 90s.
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Old 07-14-2017, 12:18 PM
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After giving Qusay enough time to say "this is everything" about the meeting with that Russian prosecutor, NBC reveals that there was former Soviet counterintel officer (note that nearly all KGB guys ended up in the FSB) in on the meeting.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...p-team-n782851
"There is no proof of Russian collusion. Stop being ridiculous."
"Well even if there was collusion, collusion isn't illegal. You can't prove it."
"This lawyer does not represent the Russian government. The left is acting like Don Junior met with a KGB spy."
"Okay she might have brought along a literal Russian spy, Hillary sold uranium to Putin personally so this is a nothingburger."

Supposedly (can't find the source myself), the lawyer has also said that yet another person was in on the meeting, but won't reveal who.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:19 PM
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Bill Clinton was the best President since the 90s.
Bill Clinton was a deviant that was carried through his presidency by congress and his predecessor.
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Old 07-14-2017, 10:44 PM
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Fascism is Super Saiyan Socialism. Per the founder of Fascism, Benito Mussolini.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:22 PM
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How do we control conservatives' celebrity worship? They keep electing celebrities instead of people who know what they're doing.
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:23 PM
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Fascism is Super Saiyan Socialism. Per the founder of Fascism, Benito Mussolini.
Times change, talk about policy, don't link youtube videos.
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Do the antifa have a policy?
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:59 PM
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How do we control conservatives' celebrity worship? They keep electing celebrities instead of people who know what they're doing.
But Reagan made America great!
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:07 AM
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But Reagan made America great!
Yeah, Iran-Contra, the 1986 machinegun ban, the war on drugs, and Reaganomics. Great.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:13 AM
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But Reagan made America great!
Reagan did have a degree in economics and was the governor of California. As an actor he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild. The economy boomed and the Soviet Union collapsed. The US was instilled with a renewed sense of optimism. There is a reason why when he ran for reelection he won every single state except one and then his vice president won when he was term limited.

He wasn't good for people who get rich and powerful off of the government because he called them out and started a trend where people want to see them shrunk and held accountable. Before Reagan the Republicans never really controlled congress and now they do the majority of the time. His legacy is an existential threat to big government and their beneficiaries.

People that work for a living loved him. People who get their political knowledge from late night comedians do not.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:42 AM
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Reagan did have a degree in economics and was the governor of California. As an actor he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild. The economy boomed and the Soviet Union collapsed. The US was instilled with a renewed sense of optimism. There is a reason why when he ran for reelection he won every single state except one and then his vice president won when he was term limited.

He wasn't good for people who get rich and powerful off of the government because he called them out and started a trend where people want to see them shrunk and held accountable. Before Reagan the Republicans never really controlled congress and now they do the majority of the time. His legacy is an existential threat to big government and their beneficiaries.

People that work for a living loved him. People who get their political knowledge from late night comedians do not.
I googled "why Reagan was a shit president" and got plenty a hit on the old search engine. Easy to digest Buzzfeed lists and stuff. The stuff Kakwakas mentioned came up on several sites too.

So I think I'll stick to my pre-concieved notion of his presidency not being all that great, it was just strengthened thanks to confirmation bias.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:56 AM
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I googled "why Reagan was a shit president" and got plenty a hit on the old search engine. Easy to digest Buzzfeed lists and stuff. The stuff Kakwakas mentioned came up on several sites too.

So I think I'll stick to my pre-concieved notion of his presidency not being all that great, it was just strengthened thanks to confirmation bias.
He was really popular and still is. In the future the revisionists will probably say the parties switches places after Reagan. He was also a captain in the army. Charisma certainly helped him but he had other qualities. The results should speak for themselves. He was an overall fantastic president.

Some people will always simple believe what ever they want. I had an instructor who served during the cold war watching the Soviet Union. He said he saw first hand the impact of his policies. To me going out and experiencing the world is better than selective blog reading for finding truth. It is better to see things with your own senses than to have it filtered to you or this cafe style picking and choosing what articles you want to put credence in. That just puts the partisanship of the filters or viewers in play.
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Old 07-15-2017, 12:57 AM
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Do the antifa have a policy?


This is like the definition of a bad-faith question.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:03 AM
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This is like the definition of a bad-faith question.
That is your excuse so you don't have to engage. Let's see how far that gets you.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:12 AM
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That is your excuse so you don't have to engage. Let's see how far that gets you.
Why should I engage with you when you say things like that?

Should I ask you if the Alt-right has policy? Would you consider that a good-faith opening to a conversation?

You just like to rile people up so you can complain about people being mad at you.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:34 AM
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Why should I engage with you when you say things like that?

Should I ask you if the Alt-right has policy? Would you consider that a good-faith opening to a conversation?

You just like to rile people up so you can complain about people being mad at you.
If by alt-right you mean actual neo nazis and white supremacists they have a bad policy. Why would I be offended by that? Unless you are going to tell me I am just like them my feelings aren't going to be hurt. That video was about antifa though who are extremely hostile to people who don't think like them. Not everyone destroys things like antifa but people do try to make other people feel uncomfortable or afraid to speak their minds when it challenges their world view.

The Democrats don't really talk about anything except Russia which is odd considering their timid responses in the past. I don't think the base actually cares about Russia or national security all that much. Other than that they speak in platitudes and telling detractors they are stupid. When half your country distrusts government bureaucracy but it is critical to your power base wanting to make it more powerful probably isn't the most sound message. They never even acknowledge the opposing view point because they rather people not think about it too hard. I have never seen the Democrats talk about making the government more accountable or efficiency. It is like they don't even exist in the same world.

I can just be mean back to people. It seems to attract less hostility than being nice.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:45 AM
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If by alt-right you mean actual neo nazis and white supremacists they have a bad policy. Why would I be offended by that? Unless you are going to tell me I am just like them my feelings aren't going to be hurt. That video was about antifa though who are extremely hostile to people who don't think like them. Not everyone destroys things like antifa but people do try to make other people feel uncomfortable or afraid to speak their minds when it challenges their world view.

The Democrats don't really talk about anything except Russia

It is like they don't even exist in the same world.

I can just be mean back to people. It seems to attract less hostility than being nice.
1. I'm not asking if you'd be offended, I'm asking if you would consider that a good faith question.

2. This is untrue. There's been plenty of discussion on net neutrality, the environment, minimum wage, etc...

3. That is certainly how I feel when talking to you.

4. If you mean people stop talking to you as often then I suppose that's true.
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Old 07-15-2017, 02:09 AM
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1. I'm not asking if you'd be offended, I'm asking if you would consider that a good faith question.
I would have answered it without complaints unless you were calling me one.
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2. This is untrue. There's been plenty of discussion on net neutrality, the environment, minimum wage, etc...
It usually boils down to anyone that opposes those things is acting out of hatred though. There is no nuance or substantial argument. There is a reason why the Democrats continue to lose despite being loud and abrasive. If people don't vote for you consistently then you probably can't claim to have their best interests at heart.
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3. That is certainly how I feel when talking to you.
The Democrats are the ones that have to reach out to people that don't think like them. They haven't done that yet.

You are the one that said people should talk about policy and I want to see that happen.
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A lot of the community was driven away from here because it became unwelcoming. You don't have to talk to me if all your going to do is tell me I don't care about people. If you think I am deficient in education or experience and simply don't understand the world I would be curious as to what is wrong with my education or experiences. It isn't typical millennial.

I usually post from my phone but I could easily just spend time around like minded people in real life. If I turn off the TV I would never have to hear any complaints about the current government. After a few posts of people complaining how selfish and stupid the current government was I wanted to put them on the defensive. I am not even attacking other posters like you are. I am attacking a political party.
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I would have answered it without complaints unless you were calling me one.

It usually boils down to anyone that opposes those things is acting out of hatred though. There is no nuance or substantial argument. There is a reason why the Democrats continue to lose despite being loud and abrasive. If people don't vote for you consistently then you probably can't claim to have their best interests at heart.

The Democrats are the ones that have to reach out to people that don't think like them. They haven't done that yet.

You are the one that said people should talk about policy and I want to see that happen.


A lot of the community was driven away from here because it became unwelcoming.

You don't have to talk to me if all your going to do is tell me I don't care about people. If you think I am deficient in education or experience and simply don't understand the world I would be curious as to what is wrong with my education or experiences. It isn't typical millennial.

I usually post from my phone but I could easily just spend time around like minded people in real life. If I turn off the TV I would never have to hear any complaints about the current government. After a few posts of people complaining how selfish and stupid the current government was I wanted to put them on the defensive.

I am not even attacking other posters like you are. I am attacking a political party.
1. Well frankly that's not how I interpreted your Antifa question, I feel you're pushing me to outline policy for a group I don't have any affiliation with.

2. But you do acknowledge other things are talked about then yes?

3. There certainly need to be changes in the establishment of the party, but I think the fact that many Republicans are working against trump is evidence that we could see more bipartisanship in the future.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/u...publicans.html
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4. I disagree.

5. I never called you any of those things. You're the one who started talking to me And then said I was making 'excuses' not to engage with you?

6. I think that's more due to people not talking about politics as much in real life, if you're around people who talk politics and don't disagree with the current government at all then you may have put yourself in an echo-chamber.

7. I haven't attacked any other posters.
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1. Well frankly that's not how I interpreted your Antifa question, I feel you're pushing me to outline policy for a group I don't have any affiliation with.
But you said the video was unfair? Are we not talking about the video? That is why I brought them up. I am concerned about groups with those beliefs that break things. Don't you think a group like that would despise someone like me and that I should be glad they are no where near Indiana?
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It doesn't seem nearly as much. I certainly don't notice it.
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3. There certainly need to be changes in the establishment of the party, but I think the fact that many Republicans are working against trump is evidence that we could see more bipartisanship in the future.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/u...publicans.html
The Republicans don't really like Trump. They tried to team up on him in the primary. I don't think it means there will be more bipartisanship. The party's have complete opposite visions. I can't see the Democrats accepting reforming education or the government bureaucracy. Those are their biggest supporters. After 8 years of Obama I just don't see any sort of common ground or compromise.
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You aren't the one who supposedly doesn't belong here.
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5. I never called you any of those things. You're the one who started talking to me And then said I was making 'excuses' not to engage with you?
You did tell me I didn't care about people who were affected by the environment. You then told me I was acting in bad faith. Why would you assume the worst of me? I am a harmless political nerd.
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6. I think that's more due to people not talking about politics as much in real life, if you're around people who talk politics and don't disagree with the current government at all then you may have put yourself in an echo-chamber.
It is my state. Purdue is also a particularly conservative university since it focuses on engineering and the president is a former Republican governor.

I got some flack for voting for Hillary and I didn't even tell many people. How am I supposed to get out of my group if people outside of it will attack me for sharing my thoughts?
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Are you guys still arguing whether or not AntiFA have a policy?

It's a good question, actually. I mean, clearly they have anti-fascist policies and stances. But what does that entail in reality? What are their actual plans for the future should their movement make significant progress? Can the organization even be considered a group in and of itself? Aren't they more of a conglomerate of various leftist group, with varying (sometimes incoherent) beliefs and stances?

Mutters, you're left-leaning and seem like the sort of person who likes to throw cobblestones at the authorities and set cars aflame, I'm sure you have insight into this, just as Peejay knows all about the various alt-right groups. What say you? (am I doing it right?)
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But you said the video was unfair?

It doesn't seem nearly as much. I certainly don't notice it.

The Republicans don't really like Trump. They tried to team up on him in the primary. I don't think it means there will be more bipartisanship. The party's have complete opposite visions. I can't see the Democrats accepting reforming education or the government bureaucracy. Those are their biggest supporters. After 8 years of Obama I just don't see any sort of common ground or compromise.

You aren't the one who supposedly doesn't belong here.

You did tell me I didn't care about people who were affected by the environment. You then told me I was acting in bad faith. Why would you assume the worst of me? I am a harmless political nerd.

It is my state. Purdue is also a particularly conservative university since it focuses on engineering and the president is a former Republican governor.

I got some flack for voting for Hillary and I didn't even tell many people. How am I supposed to get out of my group if people outside of it will attack me for sharing my thoughts?


Not at this moment.
1. No I didn't.

2. Maybe you should read more liberal media that you disagree with to better understand opposing points of view.

3. Well that's a shame, hopefully we'll see some decrease in political tension in the future.

4. No one's said you don't belong.

5. If you're nursing resentment from a conversation we had the other day then that's a whole different can of worms, as for my belief that you're acting in bad faith, that's based on my experiences with you.

6. As you've just stated, people IN your group already give you flack for differing, why would branching out be any worse?

7. Same could be said of you.
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