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Old 12-23-2014, 03:56 PM
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Never thought I'd see myself typing this but, here we go: Please Mutter, go into a bit more detail, I'd like to hear why.
Well when Cairne first died I had, perhaps too high hopes for him, and this was back when naive fools like myself still thought Garrosh might become a "good" leader despite having killed Cairne.

So then we get into Baines first real lore since being a quest objective in TFT or a lowbie questgiver

Letting Magatha go

I felt it was a dumb choice for HIM but a good writing decision, Baine too passive, Garrosh too aggressive, they could balance later on

Revamp mulgore supported this to an extent, put down Grimtotem and quillboar

But later lore like his short story and his view on the firebombing of Taurajo made him seem indifferent and aloof rather than wise
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:10 PM
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Valeera Sanguinar. Although, she is more a case of "liking a character everyone else doesn't know much about", but whatever.

Taran Zhu would be my other choice. I could really get behind his "Get out of my country and go ruin your own" train of thought.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:10 PM
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Yup. Taran Zhu is another for me.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:15 PM
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Garrosh. His characterization was a fucking mess, but by the end I think they got it down enough to be relatively (at least relative to him) consistent. He lacked the individual personal power of most major villains like Deathwing or Arthas, and so had to rely on charisma and intellect to get what he wanted. He's one of the few major villains who Blizz managed to have me like more by the end of their story than the beginning (admittedly that's more a product of them front-loading their bad writing with him before eventually settling on a single characterization towards the end), and I think he's spawned some of the more interesting plotlines in WoW.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I like this version of Garrosh, the one we saw in WoD and the supplemental content leading up to it. I think I'm gonna end up looking back on that Garrosh fondly, if not necessarily the process that lead to his creation.
I'll agree with this. I have yet to see anyone disprove anything Garrosh says in his final speech to Thrall. I think most of his weird characterization comes from switching writers and mediums. Garrosh in game from WotLK to his death was fairly consistent, in my opinion.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:21 PM
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:21 PM
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I'll agree with this. I have yet to see anyone disprove anything Garrosh says in his final speech to Thrall. I think most of his weird characterization comes from switching writers and mediums. Garrosh in game from WotLK to his death was fairly consistent, in my opinion.
Thrall wasn't entirely wrong.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:29 PM
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They really took him in a weird place since BC. I don't get the point of making him a bad guy when he seemed like a pretty cool character.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:39 PM
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They really took him in a weird place since BC. I don't get the point of making him a bad guy when he seemed like a pretty cool character.
Yeah that was random
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:39 PM
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Lord Godfrey. He was an excellent new character and compelling in both of his forms. His design was great. His VA was great. His fighting style was great. His attitude was entertainingly dastardly and ruthless. His motives, outlook and backstory were solid. He's one of the few Forsaken characters whose switch to the Horde was justified on a personal level and handled somewhat organically. His mere presence made the Forsaken/worgen war much more personal and upped the stakes. His death was premature and his motives for turning 100% hostile ("Look at me I'm the king of everything") were weak and contrived for the sake of a cheap boss fight.

It bothers me that they killed him off the way they did. Forsaken have literally one character with any notable lore left and this guy was the perfect choice for another.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:42 PM
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Yeah that was random
^ Even by Blizzard's standards.

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Lord Godfrey. He was an excellent new character and compelling in both of his forms. His design was great. His VA was great. His fighting style was great. His attitude was entertainingly dastardly and ruthless. His motives, outlook and backstory were solid. He's one of the few Forsaken characters whose switch to the Horde was justified on a personal level and handled somewhat organically. His mere presence made the Forsaken/worgen war much more personal and upped the stakes. His death was premature and his motives for turning 100% hostile ("Look at me I'm the king of everything") were weak and contrived for the sake of a cheap boss fight.

It bothers me that they killed him off the way they did. Forsaken have literally one character with any notable lore left and this guy was the perfect choice for another.
All of this. I've never disliked the character; I despise how it was wasted.
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Old 12-23-2014, 04:49 PM
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They really took him in a weird place since BC. I don't get the point of making him a bad guy when he seemed like a pretty cool character.
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Well, he was locked up next to a herald of the Old Gods for an indeterminate amount of time. That's enough to scramble anyone's eggs.
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Well, he was locked up next to a herald of the Old Gods for an indeterminate amount of time. That's enough to scramble anyone's eggs.
He seemed fine at the time, and the herald only seemed to have scrambled the warden
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:08 PM
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Thrall wasn't entirely wrong.
Garrosh did choose, but Thrall was the one who gave him the choice. He wasn't entirely wrong, but he does try to pawn off the blame on Garrosh for everything that happened when he does bare some of the guilt.


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Old 12-23-2014, 05:43 PM
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Uh... post-Theramore IG Jaina?
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:51 PM
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Lord Godfrey. He was an excellent new character and compelling in both of his forms. His design was great. His VA was great. His fighting style was great. His attitude was entertainingly dastardly and ruthless. His motives, outlook and backstory were solid. He's one of the few Forsaken characters whose switch to the Horde was justified on a personal level and handled somewhat organically. His mere presence made the Forsaken/worgen war much more personal and upped the stakes. His death was premature and his motives for turning 100% hostile ("Look at me I'm the king of everything") were weak and contrived for the sake of a cheap boss fight.

It bothers me that they killed him off the way they did. Forsaken have literally one character with any notable lore left and this guy was the perfect choice for another.
Part of me kind of wishes he had never suicided and just remained an important human part of the Gilnean society. Not sure if I like Forsaken taking away Gilnean characters who have more potential among their own kin.

I also thought Ralaar Fangfire was a pretty good villain with a compelling backstory of his own. He would have been suitable for the role that they placed Godfrey in. (As well as Sylvanas for that matter, the Worgen would actually see a satisfying conclusion if their main villain had been someone who is not a faction leader.)
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:30 AM
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Who are the hated ones? Varian, Anduin, Me'dan, Garrosh, maybe Thrall? I cannot like any of those characters.

The closest maybe is Rhonin, since I don't care much about Night Elf lore that he defiled.
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Old 12-24-2014, 08:50 AM
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Garrosh did choose, but Thrall was the one who gave him the choice. He wasn't entirely wrong, but he does try to pawn off the blame on Garrosh for everything that happened when he does bare some of the guilt.
I'm not sure what you mean by Thrall gave him the choice. Thrall gave him the responsibility, and he certainly should bear some of the guilt for the mess that ensued, but nobody forced Garrosh down the path of violence.
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:09 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by Thrall gave him the choice. Thrall gave him the responsibility, and he certainly should bear some of the guilt for the mess that ensued, but nobody forced Garrosh down the path of violence.
Garrosh never wanted the responsibility, but Thrall basically told him "you'll be fine. Your dad was a pretty swell guy therefore you are a pretty swell guy".

Nobody forced Garrosh down the path because that was always part of Garrosh's personality once Thrall lifted the burden of being Grom's son off of his shoulders. Garrosh was acting like a orc.

Thrall's problem is that he has and still carries a HUGE blindspot when it comes to the orcs and how they acted pre-Horde. He continues to think that he is a normal orc when he is the abberention of orc society.

And I actually liked Garrosh. All the way to the end. That final confrantation between him and Thrall really cemented Garry, in my eyes, as one of the best examples of Blizzard writing a character from his rise to fall in WoW.

In the end, Garry was right.

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Lord Godfrey. He was an excellent new character and compelling in both of his forms. His design was great. His VA was great. His fighting style was great. His attitude was entertainingly dastardly and ruthless. His motives, outlook and backstory were solid. He's one of the few Forsaken characters whose switch to the Horde was justified on a personal level and handled somewhat organically. His mere presence made the Forsaken/worgen war much more personal and upped the stakes. His death was premature and his motives for turning 100% hostile ("Look at me I'm the king of everything") were weak and contrived for the sake of a cheap boss fight.

It bothers me that they killed him off the way they did. Forsaken have literally one character with any notable lore left and this guy was the perfect choice for another.
People actually dislike/hate Godfrey? I really find that surprising.
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:11 AM
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:33 AM
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The closest maybe is Rhonin, since I don't care much about Night Elf lore that he defiled.
I think you mean old gods/infinite dragonflight.

Anyway Varian is the best Alliance character and everyone hates him because he's more interesting than his cardboard cutouts of peers.
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