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Old 05-10-2017, 11:29 AM
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And? You can't have Western Civilization without whites.
How do you feel about miscegenation? Do you believe people of mixed race can't be Western?
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Old 05-10-2017, 11:39 AM
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Apparently Macron's team was prepared for the hacks and set up a bunch of honey pots. I am really impressed. Sounds like a leader who isn't information illiterate.
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:18 PM
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:35 PM
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The situation intensifies
How do you foresee this going down?
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:49 PM
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How do you feel about miscegenation? Do you believe people of mixed race can't be Western?
On a large scale it will destroy peoples and cultures. It has been used a weapon of war before and still is by certain Islamic groups, certain parts of China, the Soviets after World War II in East Germany and Kaliningrad, it was used by slaveowners against their slaves in the South, in Brazil after the fall of the empire and so on.

Yes, a person of mixed race can be Western. Alexandre Dumas was certainly Western and held Western ideas. Barrack Obama did not and certainly resented the West. You can't replace every person in West with a non-Western person and retain it. Heterogeneous societies are always worse off than homogeneous societies.

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Old 05-10-2017, 01:24 PM
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How do you foresee this going down?
I foresee Lula going to jail and his fanbase rioting all over just like a few weeks ago.

We're nowhere near a Maduro situation though.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:30 PM
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Immigration is usually really political. The politicians want to bring in people who will vote for the policies they support.
Foreigners don't have the right to vote.

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There are a lot better ways to help the refuges that aren't being taken like assisting the majority of the victims that are still in Iraq or Syria or the ones that fled to neighboring Arab countries.
How do you assist people who live in a war zone that can be executed at any moment ?
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:38 PM
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Foreigners don't have the right to vote.
If they become citizens they can.
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How do you assist people who live in a war zone that can be executed at any moment ?
By fighting their oppressors or offering humanitarian aid.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:46 PM
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If they become citizens they can.
It's a 5 to 10 years process.

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By fighting their oppressors or offering humanitarian aid.
Aid does not protect you from bullets.
Sending troops to a civil war, I don't have the stomach to send soldiers in a zone where they are as likely to get shot by their friends that by their enemies when the security of my country is not on the line.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:50 PM
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Aid does not protect you from bullets.

Sending troops to a civil war, I don't have the stomach to send soldiers in a zone where they are as likely to get shot by their friends that by their enemies when the security of my country is not on the line.
No but it still helps people feed themselves that have been displaced by the war.

You don't need a big presence on the ground. Just help the people that are there fighting like the Iraqi government or the Kurds. Provide them with training, air support, and ISR.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:55 PM
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No but it still helps people feed themselves that have been displaced by the war.

You don't need a big presence on the ground. Just help the people that are there fighting like the Iraqi government or the Kurds. Provide them with training, air support, and ISR.
So you think we're already doing enough?
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:59 PM
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So you think we're already doing enough?
Well now we are.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:06 PM
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Well now we are.
How long do you think we've been doing that?
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:12 PM
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How long do you think we've been doing that?
For varying degrees for awhile.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:13 PM
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For varying degrees for awhile.
I think you're underestimating how much stuff SOCOM does.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:14 PM
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I think you're underestimating how much stuff SOCOM does.
How?

Nothing I said was untrue.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:55 PM
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How?

Nothing I said was untrue.
Technically.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:59 PM
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Technically.
I am just right about everything. You need to accept it from now on.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:01 PM
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I am just right about everything. You need to accept it from now on.
Technically correct but misleading is not a very good form of correct.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:04 PM
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On a large scale it will destroy peoples and cultures. It has been used a weapon of war before and still is by certain Islamic groups, certain parts of China, the Soviets after World War II in East Germany and Kaliningrad, it was used by slaveowners against their slaves in the South, in Brazil after the fall of the empire and so on.

Yes, a person of mixed race can be Western. Alexandre Dumas was certainly Western and held Western ideas. Barrack Obama did not and certainly resented the West. You can't replace every person in West with a non-Western person and retain it. Heterogeneous societies are always worse off than homogeneous societies.
It isn't currently being used as a weapon for war. When it was a weapon of war it was mass rape. As long as it is consensual it should be fine. Let people love who they want to love. A lot of people will still have cultural or personal reasons to be attracted to people who are like them.

We shouldn't see a mass displacement and even then I think we need to have controlled immigration but for entirely different reasons. I am not considered about genetics at all. More values and skills to benefit the host nation. I rather help make their countries more like ours than accept everyone over here.

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Technically correct but misleading is not a very good form of correct.
I am not being misleading. I am not a bad person.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:07 PM
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I am not being misleading. I am not a bad person.
The "now we are" bit kind of was.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:08 PM
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The "now we are" bit kind of was.
Secretary Mattis makes everything better.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:09 PM
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Secretary Mattis makes everything better.
It predates him being in that role.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:11 PM
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It predates him being in that role.
Probably shouldn't have this argument.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:17 PM
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Probably shouldn't have this argument.
I checked the internet before posting.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/31/politi...es-syria-iraq/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_20..._raid_in_Syria
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rations-there/
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