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Old 10-11-2006, 11:36 AM
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Post About Uther's death...

i was playing the wc3 undead campaign couple days ago, and it makes me wonder... did Uther really got killed in a 1v1 battle against Arthas, or did Arthas got a lucky shot becuase Uther is being overwhelmed by the undead... i mean, assuming that Uther is just as powerful as the Ashbringer himself, shouldnt Uther beable to destory thousands of undead with ease?

makes me wonder... hmmm...
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Old 10-11-2006, 11:48 AM
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Dont forget, Arthas was said to be the greatest swordsman in Lordaeron.

And, levels in WC3 wasnt really true in lore...

I take Arthas was level 10 in all of the Undead missions from a lore standpoint.
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Old 10-11-2006, 11:54 AM
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I wonder why Uther didn't bubble hearth.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:11 PM
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WarCraft 3 did a good job not showing what actually happened a lot of the time. Rarely did they have a cutscene that actually tied up a loose end, but as far as we know Uther was killed by Arthas one on one.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:14 PM
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WarCraft 3 did a good job not showing what actually happened a lot of the time. Rarely did they have a cutscene that actually tied up a loose end, but as far as we know Uther was killed by Arthas one on one.
Like Magtheridon's "death".
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:30 PM
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Uther was overwhelmed by Undead by my book, his statistics are better than Arthas any day.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:42 PM
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Uther was overwhelmed by Undead by my book, his statistics are better than Arthas any day.
You're forgetting Frostmourne has fel aka Chaos damage, meaning it's going to rip thorugh armor like a hot knife through butter, also Frostmourne deals deadly wounds with each strike, lowering Uther's hp each round, and it HEALS Arthas for whatever amount of damage he deals with it. Nothing to shrug your shoulders about certainly. Besides, it says in the books this.

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If you don't consider Arthas to be the one to have killed him, than I don't consider Illidan worthy enough to have killed Tichondrius who far outstripped the night elf in power.
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Old 10-11-2006, 12:56 PM
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And, levels in WC3 wasnt really true in lore...
What?!?!!? If we cant take lore from the games ABOUT the games, then what the hell is the point! I trust blizzard to do their own lore correct! That was a silly comment.
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:18 PM
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You're forgetting Frostmourne has fel aka Chaos damage, meaning it's going to rip thorugh armor like a hot knife through butter, also Frostmourne deals deadly wounds with each strike, lowering Uther's hp each round, and it HEALS Arthas for whatever amount of damage he deals with it. Nothing to shrug your shoulders about certainly. Besides, it says in the books this.



If you don't consider Arthas to be the one to have killed him, than I don't consider Illidan worthy enough to have killed Tichondrius who far outstripped the night elf in power.
Yeah but you can't trust the PRG books for in-game stats.
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:30 PM
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Stats don't matter. That's all just gameplay crap.

Uther and Arthas were probably about equal in strength, and fought while Arthas' scourge and Uther's paladins battled in Andorhol.
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:35 PM
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I think uther was defeated for the sole reason not wanting to harm arthas during the fight,i geuss he thought he can defeat him and change him back.He afterall considerd arthas as his son.
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:15 PM
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I'm just saying Frostmourne was godly at the end of the human campaign, why all of a sudden was it not in the undead campaign? Balance reasons of course. Not to mention Uther was 64 years old fighting a young 23 year old Arthas.
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Old 10-11-2006, 04:09 PM
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I think uther was defeated for the sole reason not wanting to harm arthas during the fight,i geuss he thought he can defeat him and change him back.He afterall considerd arthas as his son.
Do you think he did that before or after he told him to 'rot in hell'?
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Old 10-11-2006, 04:12 PM
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Actually he said

"I hope there's a special place in hell for you Arthas."
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Old 10-11-2006, 04:15 PM
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Well, yeah I know... but that's basically the same thing. :p
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Old 10-11-2006, 07:21 PM
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I'm just saying Frostmourne was godly at the end of the human campaign, why all of a sudden was it not in the undead campaign? Balance reasons of course. Not to mention Uther was 64 years old fighting a young 23 year old Arthas.
23 extra damage and Chaos type isn't godly.
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Old 10-12-2006, 12:18 AM
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I think the fact that Arthas was 26 and Uther was 64 is pretty much a good enough explanation as any as for how Arthas beat Uther.
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Old 10-12-2006, 02:17 AM
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If you don't consider Arthas to be the one to have killed him, than I don't consider Illidan worthy enough to have killed Tichondrius who far outstripped the night elf in power.
I wrote a fast post so i´ve should been more specific, it´s not the first time we had this discussion, you know how i stand in the Uther/Arthas x Illidan/Arthas dramas.
Don´t get me worng, i´m pretty sure that Arthas did most of the work and stroke the final blow but it sounded so easy because of the undead at his back, don´t forget that Uther had some knights with him too and that his warhammer isn´t something a Death knight shouldn´t fear...
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:28 AM
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Don't forget as well, Arthas isn't actually Undead, so all of Uthers abilities that destroy UD would have done absolutely nothing to him. Arthas was in his prime, while Uther was getting on in his age; its not hard to see why the paladin lost in the end. Its not as if Arthas lacked skill; he may not have been better then Uther paladin wise, but he was a better swordsman.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:29 AM
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And Illidan had an entire night elf brigade behind him when he fought Tichondrius. And Grom Hellscream had the entire Warsong Clan fighting Cenarius.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:45 AM
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And Illidan had an entire night elf brigade behind him when he fought Tichondrius. And Grom Hellscream had the entire Warsong Clan fighting Cenarius.
About Grom i believe you are right but who in their right mind would follow Illidan as a leader?
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:46 AM
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Replay that mission, he had a base and everything under his command. andi f you pitted Illidan even transformed against Tichondrius in a single fight he would have gotten his ass kicked.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:46 AM
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About Grom i believe you are right but who in their right mind would follow Illidan as a leader?
Blood Elves, Naga, Broken?
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:48 AM
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Replay that mission, he had a base and everything under his command. andi f you pitted Illidan even transformed against Tichondrius in a single fight he would have gotten his ass kicked.
That was because Tichondiurs had Divine Armor at the time.

Hell that's the only reason we can't take Archimonde.
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And Illidan had an entire night elf brigade behind him when he fought Tichondrius. And Grom Hellscream had the entire Warsong Clan fighting Cenarius.
Really, Tichondrius had Divine Armour, so...
They didnt really help =p

But it is true with Grom and the Warsong.

But, I still think Tichondrius deserved to live ;_;


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What?!?!!? If we cant take lore from the games ABOUT the games, then what the hell is the point! I trust blizzard to do their own lore correct! That was a silly comment.
I meant stats didnt really matter in WC3 lore. That Frostmourne ALWAYS healed Arthas when he hit something with it, that he always was level 10, and so on.
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